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作者: dboy 时间: 2010-6-28 11:11
标题: 脑残的USSOCOM，把Mk16给砍掉了
虽然把Mk17留下来换掉头重脚轻的Mk14和只有前三发很准的Mk11，但还是半脑残

作者: pi1ot 时间: 2010-6-28 11:26
这几天在玩ARMA2的SEAL SIX任务，感觉用30发弹匣和消音器的MK12 MOD1 SD简直是远中近通吃的大杀器

作者: 痱子 时间: 2010-6-28 12:03
Spec Ops Command Cancels New Rifle
June 25, 2010
Military.com|by Christian Lowe

In a surprising reversal that follows years of effort to design a one-of-a-kind commando rifle, the U.S. military's Special Operations Command has abruptly decided to abandon the new SOCOM Combat Assault rifle – the "SCAR," as the rifle is commonly known – in favor of previously-fielded carbines.

Details provided exclusively to Military.com reveal that SOCOM, the Tampa-based command that oversees the training and equipping of SEALs, Green Berets, Air Force Special Tactics Teams and Marine SOC groups, will stop purchasing the 5.56 mm Mk-16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle and might require all units who now have them to turn the new weapons back into the armory.

Read more about the Mk-16 SCAR cancellation in Kit Up!

"The Mk-16 does not provide enough of a performance advantage over the M-4 to justify spending USSOCOM's limited … funds when competing priorities are taken into consideration," officials at USSOCOM said in an email response to questions from Military.com. "Currently, three of USSOCOM's four components receive the 5.56 mm M-4 from their parent service as a service common equipment item." (Naval Special Warfare Command is the only component that does not purchase its weapons with Navy funds.)

SOCOM said it will instead purchase additional Mk-17 variants that use the heavier 7.62 mm round, more Mk-13 Enhanced Grenade Launchers, and a newly-designated Mk-20 Sniper Support Rifle. (Industry observers say the Mk-20 is basically the Mk-17 with longer barrel and other sharpshooter enhancements.)

News of the cancellation of the Mk-16 variant of the SCAR is a major reversal for a command that spent six years and millions of dollars fielding a rifle specifically made for use by special operators. It was the first rifle since the M-16 that was competed, tested, and built from the ground up for the military.

This cancellation will certainly be poorly received by program advocates who touted the weapon's mission flexibility, better gas piston operating system, and performance in dusty environments as clear advantages over the current M-4.

Elaine Golladay, spokeswoman for FNH-USA, the weapon's manufacturer, declined to comment on the cancellation for this report.

Ironically, the company announced May 4 that it had passed the final hurdle from SOCOM's weapons buying office to go into full production and fielding of both the Mk-16 and Mk-17. It is unclear if SOCOM had made the decision to cancel their buy of the Mk-16 when FNH-USA issued that announcement.

Additionally, sources tell Military.com that SOCOM is leaning toward requiring that all Mk-16s currently fielded be returned as retaining limited numbers of them would complicate training and logistics support.

Officials with SOCOM said the services have so far fielded 850 Mk-16s and 750 Mk-17s throughout the SOF community, but did not specify which units got what rifle. As of last count, Military.com reported Army Rangers, most SEAL teams and Naval Special Warfare Combat-Craft Crewmen had received a mix of Mk-16s and 17s.

Original program documents from SOCOM show a requirement of over 120,000 Mk-16s and nearly 40,000 Mk-17s.

It is unclear how many Mk-17 rifles SOCOM will buy. The command budgeted $3 million in fiscal 2011 to purchase SCAR variants and had an additional "unfunded requirement" of $1.6 million for SCAR.

"The Mk-17 fills the existing capability gap for a 7.62 mm rifle," officials said. "USSOCOM is in the process of determining the exact quantities of the Mk-17, Mk-13 and Mk-20 variants that will be purchased."

作者: 痱子 时间: 2010-6-28 12:05
MD还是觉得消费不起啊

作者: leopard005 时间: 2010-6-28 13:01
看来特种基佬还是觉得SCAR比M4强不了多少。。。。还要上缴，不是和当年的HK416一样了么。。。

作者: BBSBOY 时间: 2010-6-28 14:49

不错...反正我买不起VFC的疤痕

作者: 退壳挺 时间: 2010-6-28 15:39
前三发很准。。。看来MK11也就是个CS里的AK啊。。。哈哈哈

作者: jason-lee 时间: 2010-6-28 15:56
没有本质上的飞跃，砍掉也就在所难免啊....

作者: arman 时间: 2010-6-28 17:52
典型的美式和谐，像当年的ACR计划，烧掉一大堆银子搞一大台戏，最后一句根AR15/M16/M-4比较没有明显优势，目的分明就是要质疑吹气式推动设计，及反Stoner rifle 的声音闭咀。

作者: 欧根亲王 时间: 2010-6-28 18:01
跟416一样搞地下恋情吧

作者: Uther中士 时间: 2010-6-28 18:31
SCAR-L会翻身的绝对

作者: 囧rz 时间: 2010-6-28 19:34

虽然把Mk17留下来换掉头重脚轻的Mk14和只有前三发很准的Mk11，但还是半脑残
dboy 发表于 2010-6-28 11:11

我想他們也不想的，不過沒辦法，黑總統砍預算砍太多了…

作者: gabsst 时间: 2010-6-28 20:11
cod ww2有预见性？

作者: nedbruce 时间: 2010-6-29 00:28
SOCOM的人又不愿意多舔舔国会议员的菊花,现在没钱了也是理所应当.......话说这倒挺符合老美的消费习惯的,啥东西拿回去先用着,实在不行退货呗.........

作者: camo 时间: 2010-6-29 16:06
米帝准备把AR用上一百年吗？

作者: 天哪 时间: 2010-6-29 17:14

cod ww2有预见性？
gabsst 发表于 2010-6-28 20:11

你知道的太多了……

作者: gabsst 时间: 2010-6-29 20:02
16# 天哪

警花日记什么时候更新啊.

作者: p5^_^ 时间: 2010-6-30 16:53
虽然在下也是伤疤党，不过话说回来，这些年抱着伤疤久了，的确开始觉得还是AR的体态生活时用起来舒适哟。。。。

作者: 天哪 时间: 2010-6-30 21:25

16# 天哪

警花日记什么时候更新啊.
gabsst 发表于 2010-6-29 20:02

半个月没时间去画草图了……今年本来工作事情就多，而且这个月工作时间又变长了……明天要给他们挂6月的减刑分档次，明天可能是没时间了。最近要先把《漫画监狱》搞一期出来%

作者: easports1200 时间: 2010-6-30 21:53
我更喜欢MK17一些

作者: DeltaOperator 时间: 2010-7-1 00:11
新消息是SOCOM不要MK16 目前装备的850只也要收回，但是要把MK17改成具有762和556切换能力的。。。这有点汗啊

作者: dboy 时间: 2010-7-1 00:59
为Mk17研制通用机匣不是SOCOM的明确要求，而是FN想挽回SOCOM的举动。

不过似乎SOF对Mk17最大的不满是弹匣容量太少，传说正在研制25发弹匣。

作者: SDKTank 时间: 2010-7-1 01:27
像毛子的4in1 不错啊

作者: 浮步半藏 时间: 2010-7-1 07:17
美国没少干这类忽悠人的事情，最先是MBT-70忽悠的是德国人的技术，搞出了M1
后来是XM-8拖死了HK
现在又弄了一下FN

作者: kerensky 时间: 2010-7-1 09:35
小批量装备的钱还花的起，Mk17需要替换的数量不大，而大规模换装USSOCOM旗下的各支部队手中的AR，恐怕就阳痿了，所以砍掉Mk16

作者: 滑翔机 时间: 2010-7-1 09:39
最终这些都不是美国原产的公司，被砍也在所难免啦~

作者: nedbruce 时间: 2010-7-1 10:00

最终这些都不是美国原产的公司，被砍也在所难免啦~
滑翔机发表于 2010-7-1 09:39

这倒是未必,M240不是在美国好好的么?也没有谁砍它

作者: 天哪 时间: 2010-7-1 10:50

这倒是未必,M240不是在美国好好的么?也没有谁砍它
nedbruce 发表于 2010-7-1 10:00

没有比M9更能说明问题的了

作者: gabsst 时间: 2010-7-1 18:37

为Mk17研制通用机匣不是SOCOM的明确要求，而是FN想挽回SOCOM的举动。

不过似乎SOF对Mk17最大的不满是弹匣容量太少，传说正在研制25发弹匣。
dboy 发表于 2010-7-1 00:59

这样会像5.56NATO的弹匣从20到30的转变，带来形状的变化一样吗？
如果是这样，为了适应这样的变化，会跟4179一样为了衔接而采取非理想的形状吗？

作者: juverby 时间: 2010-7-1 19:31
15# camo

不是没可能哦~除非弹药技术方面有很大程度的飞跃。

作者: 绿X 时间: 2010-7-1 19:41

这倒是未必,M240不是在美国好好的么?也没有谁砍它
nedbruce 发表于 2010-7-1 10:00

249呢

作者: SDKTank 时间: 2010-7-1 20:17

16# 天哪

警花日记什么时候更新啊.
gabsst 发表于 2010-6-29 20:02

菊花日记？

作者: 大头土匪 时间: 2010-7-1 21:17

典型的美式和谐，像当年的ACR计划，烧掉一大堆银子搞一大台戏，最后一句根AR15/M16/M-4比较没有明显优势，目的分明就是要质疑吹气式推动设计，及反Stoner rifle 的声音闭咀。
arman 发表于 2010-6-28 17:52

最少人家造势造的有水平，这可是“科学”的结果

作者: bbgg 时间: 2010-7-2 03:58

米帝准备把AR用上一百年吗？camo 发表于 2010-6-29 16:06

好用没所谓，反正有Mk262搭救一下，M2机枪用了也快100年了

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