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; |8 w5 t4 w# \# I  m( d$ qJust becuase you are carrying a gun in a war zone, dose not make you
, S9 Q0 S$ m$ S, U' ~0 fa combatant "Dude" 4 v% Q7 _7 X% ]: Z( y

+ s/ }2 @9 `7 hIn fact its that mind set that is gonna kill the "PMC" or the "PSD" 3 v, n3 Q1 m$ y7 B3 u7 N( x
whatever cool term you can come up with this week.
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7 G4 W1 ]. e' V$ t0 v  WI work for a "Security" Company, and thats what I do, i ! M" r/ ^& U! i# e
provide "security" for our clients.
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I only have one job here, and that is it.......Im not here to fight 9 H, y/ M0 I- z2 q7 @' ^- C( X7 m
a war............I did that already, in afghanistan and irag, with . S3 T* r9 U5 i$ L, Y8 \6 J
the 82nd ABN..........then I was a combatant. if you feel like you
) Y) \$ w# c, H4 G; R: Hare part of the "fight" or wanna be part of the fight.....Join the " m% r3 P; B! ^7 f8 c1 s0 I! n
freakin army!
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So many people roll up and down Route Irish in their "hard" details,
# _) t& ~( S; _and i swear they think they are like a military unit....they got on & v! O; t' B, E  o# i
DCU's......just about every thing that "General Jackson" in " v5 q# f& ?5 j) `- i
fayetteville nc sells these yahoo's have got strapped to them, they 1 Y- Y& H1 D5 f: A: [
have their guns out the windows,.....like what are you doing guy?
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+ @6 t7 ^6 j* C! w+ y- V0 E( Yare you invading a village I dont know about, are you gonna cordon
! P! t" g1 N3 n. j3 coff and search a village...........Um....No, your taking a paying # ~$ e: e$ \5 d' `+ O/ X
clint on a 5k ride to BIAP, which is about the only part of Iraq, % K9 {! @# O. z) ]3 V
other than the IZ that you will see! 9 J5 f" @+ [) Y2 m
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Now let me get this stright, since your a high speed combatant and 2 O/ Z- J0 [; t/ z
all.......me "i'll play the client" I hire a company to get me , _- @9 f4 I- V4 v9 V  i! O
around safely and without getting shot, killed....etc...... 8 S2 }0 G  C5 X! u, k  o1 w

5 a' i( m- P; }) F" xyour solution or your plan, is to stick me in a vehicle, line me up % D+ b" x1 I+ c2 h
with other vehicles that look the same, so now we are screeming at
  E7 b3 j! m( u+ bthe the bad guys LOOK AT ME! IM COOL! IM LIKE, ALL "HIGH SPEED" I
" u0 ]0 [7 ?" s, s. W0 s3 w+ [dare you to blow that remote detonated IED as we pass by in all our
7 f" t, j2 n2 C. ~& H$ vcoolness, because you must not have got the memo bad guys.....IEDS & ?7 r) Z8 \, R% \' R  Y9 u/ ]  D
and bullets wont penatrate our coolness. And......oh by the way,   _2 P2 a; u; [4 D+ [& G
that guy over there, has dark hair and dark eyes and is dressed like
( F* D# o1 ^8 \: k3 I+ m2 Dan Iraqi........Bang.....hes dead.....if hes a bad guy.....then Im
* \% y5 Y5 f* [8 {) t6 Mcool and if hes not, if hes just an innocent civilian, oh well this
. B7 `4 H) ~, d9 R+ bis war. 6 A6 s' C: t1 f6 |  ]1 I

$ ?3 O# m5 x! i/ I' s1 |But your not a warrior! your not a soldier! you may have a warrior ; K9 \" Q. Z' B; o0 F+ s( E0 j
spirit, which makes you more apt for high risk jobs......but give it
, `9 e" p4 g3 gup either.......you were a soldier once, or your the guy who
$ j- O6 T# a: V/ b1 X& n. acouldent make it in the military for whatever reason and think that * O" k- U. K; V) B( J
you were just cool enough to skip on the military for this higher 5 ^) G1 |: F. ~2 q$ x. S
than high speed delta force/SF job as a "shooter" or "operator"
/ v. E$ q7 r9 c8 }7 qwhatever you are calling yourself today. % W, V' N7 U2 @: \, u1 N

) U" I1 b9 t% a. ~" Umy point is this........You as a private security contractor are 1 W/ g4 }9 x# m5 M
just that.........your job is to protect your client, not showcase 5 _2 Z0 Z8 L4 k
him.........keep him/her outa sight not in the spot light and your
+ `8 R7 L; X. f* |' Yjob is not as a combatant.....Uncle sam hasnt asked you to go out
6 A7 J: Q4 s+ A; D7 dand start a fight...........now you may have a gun, yes, and if 1 c* F  p" h4 R4 P" U; m. T
engaged, shoot back defend yourself get you and your client outa 9 f2 Z! Q, G4 W  {( V0 l
there, its not like your to assult the objective, everything we
+ Z" r' x2 t- ]( j* _4 t" Pdo is defensive. 1 V& T. g0 W" |3 a
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How many more, innocent civilains, killed by the hands of 8 h' C7 W9 X6 g
inexperienced wanna-bee's, or cars ramed of the road because they 2 s0 ^. r5 k; g! D) I3 Q
too have found them selves stuck in traffic as well............how ! ?" l% A2 `  B* |( d- {' ?
many of these incidents are gonna happen before we get in baghdad & X' u& ^6 p2 l% |* |/ {5 r
what they got in Arbil? where, PSd operations were shut down due to an illegal killing of an inncoent civilian. 6 ~5 F" j3 Q: }1 }$ @8 c, E6 y
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so because your a yahoo, wanna-be, cowboy.....my work suffers,
6 U$ p) X* D1 B9 ]because I cant move...............this is an industry wide problem, . m  c4 ^( C; o
yet it seems to be the norm..............who is running these
4 W, p; g, z' O6 W) ]5 B" Xcompanies?
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0 r3 ^+ C$ Q" Q& A6 ^anyway.........YOU ARE NOT A COMBATANT.....your a security
6 \" w. ?+ K; qprofessional, though i hardly view you as such, since you dont seem
( \* H8 _( {' [0 A6 {- Gto grasp just what your job is!
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王杰
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发表于 2005-8-17 22:40 | 只看该作者
给杀人的扣过另外顶帽子$ \$ P( ~' B: p7 o$ k: D7 ~1 `7 ^) \
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杀就杀嘛+ \" I/ X5 t; `: n) m3 S  F

) g4 t/ N) u% E& s哪儿来这边么多名堂* @/ p  V% r! k3 A5 J. t

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全部杀光光" i+ ^) I7 k) G1 r. ?9 \
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哈哈; y8 Y3 s+ D4 h; c
杀杀- l% b) p! \1 K! r' U5 p

' w3 r9 I9 c* o他NND~~干！
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rigel
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-8-17 22:45 | 只看该作者
你个猪头············我们的名声就是败在你这种死猪头身上了············干！！！！
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发表于 2005-8-17 23:03 | 只看该作者
说的也是' H. T9 z( U+ U
现在在大家眼中，基本把承包商和特种部队划等号了
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发表于 2005-8-17 23:06 | 只看该作者
承包商应该是避免介入，而不是主动介入
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rigel
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-8-17 23:12 | 只看该作者
壳壳了解的深刻啊······5 A5 m1 |0 Z7 |; O+ p. Y
不像胡子一样·······
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居士
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发表于 2005-8-17 23:24 | 只看该作者
但现在好象都是承包商在干活的说~~~~~~难怪胡子会误解啊~~~~$ h/ q" k8 e- l" }: B6 x1 s! u
偶也索误解人群中之其中一员悍将啊~~~~~呵呵~~~
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发表于 2005-8-18 01:33 | 只看该作者
原帖由 居士 于 2005-8-17 23:24 发表' ^; _7 B0 D4 E) r, G
但现在好象都是承包商在干活的说~~~~~~难怪胡子会误解啊~~~~+ E$ w: p# a: F4 m& H: j
偶也索误解人群中之其中一员悍将啊~~~~~呵呵~~~
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干什么?承包商干保全工作本来就是嘛~
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王杰
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发表于 2005-8-18 01:38 | 只看该作者
找个说法喈& d/ p/ K4 H* Z8 Q6 f+ b
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) F8 @6 Z/ J5 }: s. @: I杀就杀嘛* _$ W# {2 f0 C! `) R

" {  p) d* e7 f% b0 g又不是见不得人5 b% q$ V6 Z$ r0 `; ]# R
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这世上人比鬼多
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多杀些
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王杰
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发表于 2005-8-18 01:41 | 只看该作者
原帖由 potato_esu 于 2005-8-18 01:33 发表+ X9 z' m- f- }0 E9 x1 Y, A" k: D

$ t8 T" g6 @, ^6 ^" l干什么?承包商干保全工作本来就是嘛~

+ J3 h. Y9 n) S2 S1 r% h/ ^) u干什么？承包商还要给人带孩子洗尿布买菜做饭倒夜壶
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ksc
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发表于 2005-8-18 02:48 | 只看该作者
那位能翻译一下啊~~~哦土不明白那英文是在说什么？
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+ k% }; X' v0 {3 X! w: ]  \不过我到觉得无所谓啊因为是工作，人吗总要讨生活的做什么都是一样的，原则上不鄙视任何工作，实际是还是很喜欢不劳而获！撤远了嘿嘿！~~~~~~~
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让我想起了这里《一个死刑犯的行刑失败》一文中的小老鼠，其实它只是想填饱肚子有什么错呢？人何尝又不是呢？？？0 ~0 k- ^' g) o* ]; [
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对与错只是因为利益的不同而产生！其实什么都没有，真的是世上无一物啊。
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2 L/ B5 a1 U; P/ [1 ]1 T[ 本帖最后由 ksc 于 2005-8-18 02:49 编辑 ]
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KK
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发表于 2005-8-18 11:17 | 只看该作者

雷哥,你这帖子有中文版的么?

今时今日这样的服务还是不够di ~6 L# w9 F/ i0 v9 j4 V

- E8 h" g3 ?. r+ j* P电视都有双语广播啦~
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偶英语差~你原谅偶吧
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yqw8422
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发表于 2005-8-18 11:38 | 只看该作者
e文实在不好，看得糊里糊涂的。雷哥有中文版的么？
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发表于 2005-8-18 14:07 | 只看该作者
原帖由 王杰 于 2005-8-18 01:41 发表
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干什么？承包商还要给人带孩子洗尿布买菜做饭倒夜壶

- e) j2 X  A8 D# u" K如果任务需要~呵呵~呵呵呵
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dboy
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发表于 2005-8-18 14:13 | 只看该作者
翻译过来大概意思就是“我们不是士兵，我们是受薪去保护我们的客户的安全。”诸如此类
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发表于 2005-8-18 14:18 | 只看该作者
看着好像是行为守则之类的东西，用的口气好象老鸟对新人的教导
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rigel
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-8-18 15:02 | 只看该作者
抱歉啊····没有中文的···大意就是D大和壳壳说的了····
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18楼
发表于 2005-8-18 16:14 | 只看该作者
来个中文的嘛
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KlauB
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发表于 2005-8-18 17:49 | 只看该作者
艰难阅读中……
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fisher
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发表于 2005-8-18 18:23 | 只看该作者
翻译，翻译，最近英文水平下降了，又不想查字典，，，，，，
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豺狼
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发表于 2005-8-18 18:49 | 只看该作者
叫大家8要轻易使用武力，8要装骚发浪，要低调。全文的核心意思就素“安全第一”，怎么有点象《方世玉》里的点穴大师的口头禅？
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jam
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发表于 2005-8-18 21:36 | 只看该作者
那还要不要“以德服人”？
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rigel
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-8-19 13:17 | 只看该作者
因为你带着枪在战争地区，但是这并不能使你成为一个格斗家
* B% K# v) q$ n8 L, c; ^: Z实际上你只是一个安全保护专家
: J% {. d5 F; S7 a" E) e我工作与一个安全公司，我向我的客户提供安全服务# a2 O, _; _, f% X9 m: F
我只是在这里有一份工作，我不是来打仗的，我在82空降师的时候就已经在
. W; W- L! Y/ x# f  e* M阿富汗和伊拉克打过仗了，假如你觉得你是战争的一部分，或者你想成为战争的一部分。
+ n" h1 K1 W- q% `3 A+ y! ^去当兵吧。' H! I' k# L7 `
那么多人在为这个事情争论和迷惑，我发誓他们一定把自己想象成了军事连队
; Y0 o+ H* T: [0 j1 a; r/ e/ }0 `4 q我不知道你是不是要去搜索村庄或者准备这样做，但是你只是客人5千块的酬劳# ?  B' B6 o: M& K! t
来这里干活而已。
7 V3 r2 H9 ~+ ~7 b2 P$ U- i% I3 P未完··········翻译的不好，让英语高手见笑了·········  Q4 h. H$ X; ?6 [$ A

; s# a& q, r1 [7 B2 tNow let me get this stright, since your a high speed combatant and
- ~; o7 q( f0 ]5 F2 Ball.......me "i'll play the client" I hire a company to get me 8 {' s$ G" r' N' U* o/ H
around safely and without getting shot, killed....etc......
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: y: N+ W3 \! ]2 X1 @0 z# ryour solution or your plan, is to stick me in a vehicle, line me up 9 }  r4 ]2 x1 L) [
with other vehicles that look the same, so now we are screeming at ; x/ ], W8 ^( {
the the bad guys LOOK AT ME! IM COOL! IM LIKE, ALL "HIGH SPEED" I / U0 U( k5 A# G. u
dare you to blow that remote detonated IED as we pass by in all our 0 S$ ?9 q" O) c- S: N4 q
coolness, because you must not have got the memo bad guys.....IEDS # v% x4 U8 H! p+ a, Y
and bullets wont penatrate our coolness. And......oh by the way, * Q5 K5 S# ?- X- ^8 l5 ^. x
that guy over there, has dark hair and dark eyes and is dressed like
3 h3 f* B! R" R* ^1 d  A: U- [$ Ian Iraqi........Bang.....hes dead.....if hes a bad guy.....then Im
# a: P$ O1 x% Q% C- I! rcool and if hes not, if hes just an innocent civilian, oh well this
1 O$ z& B% P2 Ois war. 6 J9 g  Y, R; t/ g

7 `) L% K" o4 iBut your not a warrior! your not a soldier! you may have a warrior
* h( W2 R( n! ?8 r% T3 |spirit, which makes you more apt for high risk jobs......but give it 3 j+ m% c: h5 ~! I
up either.......you were a soldier once, or your the guy who ( c' w  a* Q* Y4 F+ _4 o) V
couldent make it in the military for whatever reason and think that 1 T# }$ L7 y! n
you were just cool enough to skip on the military for this higher
1 @# o  [5 G$ G( D( f9 V) qthan high speed delta force/SF job as a "shooter" or "operator"
6 x# U! I' o  ?8 d* t3 L; |whatever you are calling yourself today. 0 s; K( l2 _; ^0 J& W( M5 R
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my point is this........You as a private security contractor are
, X8 e( q, W3 V  gjust that.........your job is to protect your client, not showcase
- `/ z1 r9 N1 I# Xhim.........keep him/her outa sight not in the spot light and your
7 N# C/ R7 O) Bjob is not as a combatant.....Uncle sam hasnt asked you to go out
; {# ^: e9 _, o5 Uand start a fight...........now you may have a gun, yes, and if 6 S8 n* r5 c6 Y, |8 p- l# R
engaged, shoot back defend yourself get you and your client outa
  q3 ~5 [2 P, _& e0 hthere, its not like your to assult the objective, everything we 2 `& [. J' f  p4 P
do is defensive.
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. G7 g3 i# g  O3 mHow many more, innocent civilains, killed by the hands of . Y4 A2 o0 A: x3 p( e* D8 o
inexperienced wanna-bee's, or cars ramed of the road because they : V1 Y+ z+ v) @3 V5 _4 y
too have found them selves stuck in traffic as well............how 8 _4 _/ ^8 Z- e* g  c  @# X$ Y
many of these incidents are gonna happen before we get in baghdad 0 b1 E" N* ^0 {- P
what they got in Arbil? where, PSd operations were shut down due to an illegal killing of an inncoent civilian. + |  X7 B1 Q: g

4 g7 l) Z0 [. f& n" ^: @+ E: T  ^so because your a yahoo, wanna-be, cowboy.....my work suffers, 3 f4 X* Q4 r) ~6 M
because I cant move...............this is an industry wide problem,
3 H1 `6 U' G, E- x7 d, H9 R5 cyet it seems to be the norm..............who is running these
4 M! T) E( C& l8 zcompanies? ! _+ g1 i$ S: ]

& x3 X. a+ L% f7 Z$ {3 }- _# U/ aanyway.........YOU ARE NOT A COMBATANT.....your a security / f: z) s3 L; T
professional, though i hardly view you as such, since you dont seem 2 c" c- v, a6 I& X7 z5 b
to grasp just what your job is!
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发表于 2005-8-19 16:38 | 只看该作者
好吧，我就来个金山翻译版本……哈哈哈
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金山翻译版本已经删除……0 N9 w: Q+ E5 e4 t5 L
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[ 本帖最后由 酷不理客 于 2005-8-19 16:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2005-8-19 16:46 | 只看该作者
楼上的你还不如不翻呢,拿个金山快译欺骗大众感情.
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发表于 2005-8-19 16:49 | 只看该作者
原帖由 commandchen 于 2005-8-19 16:46 发表8 B: H) a& `8 O! n6 F5 F3 R
楼上的你还不如不翻呢,拿个金山快译欺骗大众感情.

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# E" e: K9 H  S9 @开玩笑，金山快译2005专业版……
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发表于 2005-8-19 16:51 | 只看该作者
这种翻译拿出来要扣分
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发表于 2005-8-19 16:53 | 只看该作者
原帖由 金属外壳 于 2005-8-19 16:51 发表* t8 r" w1 Q. p3 M. H
这种翻译拿出来要扣分

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不是巴，老大，今天下午我可是被扣成饼了
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发表于 2005-8-19 16:55 | 只看该作者
删了，多一事不如少一事，闪阿
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